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03/08/2018

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Aaron Lercher

A beautiful post about Rousseau. I needed this.

Rousseau definitely is proposing a secular theodicy, in which he denies original sin but recognizes evil as the cumulative result of history, such that a radical departure is required to escape it.

Kant's Religion might be taken to develop this by arguing that it is inexplicable how one can manage to adhere to reason, which then leads to a rationalistic form of religion. (I now feel compelled to build a shrine to Rawls.) But maybe any form of radical social critique is a different way of developing Rousseau's basic idea, and some are more naturalistic than others.

Susan Niemann's Evil in Modern Thought highlights this theodicy.
I'm no Rousseau or Kant scholar, but I'd expect this to be well recognized.

Aaron Lercher

Maybe the difference between Spinozistic self-legislation and that of Rousseau or Kant is whether one is capable of achieving freedom on one's own. I would have thought Spinoza says yes, while Kant and Rousseau feel the need to call on something like God, a legislator, or revolution, because they are dealing with historically cumulative or ingrained evil. But I guess I need to read Kiser's book.

Andrew Corsa

This was a very fun, interesting post. Thank you!

My comment here is really just an aside - a fun tangent.

Your remarks about magnanimous legislators emerging out of historical inequality and injustice reminded me of Thoreau's famous example, from "Slavery in Massachusetts," of a beautiful white water-lily emerging out of the muck - the metaphorical muck of a society permitting slavery:

"Such do not know that like the seed is the fruit, and that, in the moral world, when good seed is planted, good fruit is inevitable, and does not depend on our watering and cultivating; that when you plant, or bury, a hero in his field, a crop of heroes is sure to spring up. This is a seed of such force and vitality, that it does not ask our leave to germinate."

I don't think it is a coincidence that, in "A Plea For Captain John Brown," Thoreau compares John Brown and other heroes to fruit-bearing plants that can arise without "watering and cultivating." Thoreau repeatedly implies that John Brown is a magnanimous man and, in the passage below, I take it that Thoreau is implying that magnanimous heroes like him can emerge, like flowering, fruit-bearing plants, out of the muck societies that endorse inequality and injustice:

:Such do not know that like the seed is the fruit, and that, in the moral world, when good seed is planted, good fruit is inevitable, and does not depend on our watering and cultivating; that when you plant, or bury, a hero in his field, a crop of heroes is sure to spring up. This is a seed of such force and vitality, that it does not ask our leave to germinate."

In any event, I thought this minor comparison between your post and Thoreau was fun enough to share.

Eric Schliesser

That's a nice observation, Andrew. You remind me that I have been meaning to read Melissa Lane on the two of them.

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