The eminent political philosopher Jonathan Wolff is interviewed here. [HT Jacob Levy; Jason Stanley.] After an autobiographical introduction he is invited to discuss five books "by thinkers who have shaped the field." Wolff mentions Hobbes's Leviathan, Marx's Early Writings, Rawls's A Theory of Justice, Nozick's Anarchy, State, and Utopia, and Cohen's If You’re an Egalitarian, How Come You’re So Rich? The interview is a lovely mixture of autobiography, biography (especially of Cohen), and enthusiasm for the issues. I thought it was especially good on what makes Nozick's Anarchy so memorable. Even so, I offer critical observations because Wolff's comments reveal non-trivial systematic problems with political philosophy (as practiced by some of the very best in the field).
- In discussing Leviathan, Wolff exhibits an absurd pride in not having really read parts 3-4. This is connected to a remarkable oversight: the lack of mention of religion (and political theology) as a key/central issue for Hobbes's project. (Leviathan is oddly relevant!) I am not picking on his lack of scholarly literacy or his lack of shame -- so common among certain kind of analytical philosophers of his generation, including the silly idea that Hobbes "is an analytical philosopher," [it's silly because Hobbes takes rhetoric very seriously whereas analytical philosophers, a few noble ones excepted, tend not to]* -- in not having read fully a book he discusses at length (not exactly the model of virtue in a Dean of Humanities)! Rather, it reveals how narrow his conception of political philosophy really is and almost certainly reveals a tacit commitment, once popular, to the idea that religion is a thing of the past. I am not saying that one should only focus on religion within political philosophy, but the more modern books mentioned (by Rawls, Nozick, Cohen) that 'shaped' the field are not very profound on the challenges and opportunities posed by religion to political philosophy. This lacuna -- and it is a considerable given the events of, say, the last thirty years --, suggests something has gone very wrong in the field. [This is not to deny that "Rawls took religion very seriously," but in Wolff's hands Rawls's significance is explicitly not on political theology.]
- Wolff is reported as saying (while commenting on Leviathan's famous cover) "I can’t think of another political philosopher who’s chosen an illustration themselves for their position." I found this an odd lapse in his memory because several of JJ Rousseau's books have (complex) illustrutations/engravings as book covers that comment or even guide the reader's interpretations and are mentioned in the text (see here [see also this paper on the Emile [HT Michael Kochin]).
- Wolff writes about Marx: "Marx finds, in the Wealth of Nations, a whole range of criticisms of capitalism that sound just like Marx. So, for example, Adam Smith argues that the natural rate of wages is the minimum wage — what it costs to keep the worker and his family alive for the day." I think Wolff misremembers his Marx here (and confuses some key concepts in Smith). To be clear it's true that Smith anticipates much of Marx's criticisms of capitalism (see this excellent book by Spencer Pack). But it is not true that for Smith the natural rate is (generally) the minimum wage nor does Marx say this (I am not a Marx expert, so maybe he says it somewhere); rather for Smith wages will only fall to subsistence wages if there is little economic/production growth alongside population growth--something that Marx recognizes (but Wolff not). By contrast, the natural rate is the counterfactual price of a good absent barriers to trade in factors--something that Marx recognizes (and Wolff not). For Smith this price is not a subsistence wage, but rather one that prevails when there is no famine. Marx understands this about Smith, but disagrees; he argues that within an extensive division of labor the worker lacks the bargaining power to (a) benefit from when the market prices are above the natural price (something extremely common) because (b) the capitalist can redirect capital far more easily than the worker can. (Both (a-b) are compatible with Smith's analysis, by the way.) Moreover, Marx thinks that (c) wages are very sticky. (This is not really Smith's position.) Where Marx and Smith differ in Marx's analysis is (to simplify) that Smith thinks wages can be kept above subsistence rates during times of economic growth whereas Marx thinks this is rarely the case (and even if it can be done only at the expensive of the worker relative to capital interests).
- On reading Rawls Theory of Justice. "You can read a page and not think very much of it and then ten years later come back to it, having thought about the issue yourself, and see Rawls has completely understood the issue, set out all the possibilities, and shown why only one of them is right." I think this is almost right, but it also misses a key feature of Rawls. For, Rawls does not explicitly set out all the possibilities, although he has undoubtedly discerned all of them. He sets out important possibilities and these turn out to have set the agenda for subsequent readers. But to recognize that he is aware he does not set out all the possibities you have to read Rawls's footnotes. For a notable example, see p. 314 n 16 of TJ. In the note Rawls cites both Arrow and Knight, focusing on their (limited) agreement and ignoring the deeper disagreement. As Rawls adds (in his own footnote): “in both cases see the footnotes!” That is to say, Rawls knows the possibility space is broader than he presents and he allows the diligent reader to recover that. (I leave aside here what purpose this may serve.)
- Finally, It is striking that Wolff mentions no women, no non-white person, and no pre-early modern person. Perhaps, he is right sociologically that "the three leading political philosophers of the contemporary era are Rawls, Nozick, and Cohen," but that is really an artifact of the cold war. I love Hobbes and Rawls, but if we think of issues that ought to dominate political philosophy (religion, gender equality, global and racial injustices, mass human extinction, toleration, technology, military-prison industrial complex, ideology, etc.), I can think of more important political philosophers (in the contemporary era, say, MacKinnon, Fanon, Arendt, Foucault),+ not the least of which are Plato (and Aristotle) or Al-Farabi.
*This may seem unfair because Wolff is splendid on the merits of style. But there is a lot more to rhetoric than style.
+ MacKinnon's citation numbers outperform G.A. Cohen's. Fanon's and Arendt's citations are the same order of magnitude as Nozick. Foucault has more citations than even Rawls.
Eric, about Marx I imagine that Wolff has something like this in mind:"Wages of Labour", from the Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844, https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/wages.htm.
See the part that begins "Let us take the three chief conditions in which society can find itself and consider the situation of the worker in them..."
In point (2) of this section, Marx concludes that "even in the condition of society most favorable to the worker, the inevitable result for the worker is overwork and premature death, decline to a mere machine, a bond servant of capital, which piles up dangerously over and against him, more competition, and starvation or beggary for a section of the workers." He then goes on to argue that "Eventually, however, this state of growth must sooner or later reach its peak." A bit later he describes this as "a fully developed state of society." About this state he asks "What is the worker’s position now?" and answers by quoting Smith (with no mention of a famine here...):
“In a country which had acquired that full complement of riches both the wages of labour and the profits of stock would probably be very low [...] the competition for employment would necessarily be so great as to reduce the wages of labour to what was barely sufficient to keep up the number of labourers, and, the country being already fully peopled, that number could never be augmented.” [Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations, Vol. I, p. 84.]
Marx concludes sardonically: "The surplus would have to die."
So, here's an attempt at a charitable interpretation of Wolff on this point. He has the above in mind. What he means when he says a subsistence wage is the "natural" rate, is that it is the ("natural") end result of capitalist economics, in the sense not only of the rate that will in then be produced, but also in the sense of the rate that the system is (teleologically -- hence "natural") aiming at. Or to quote Marx once again...
"Thus in a declining state of society – increasing misery of the worker; in an advancing state – misery with complications; and in a fully developed state of society – static misery.
Since, however, according to Smith, a society is not happy, of which the greater part suffers – yet even the wealthiest state of society leads to this suffering of the majority – and since the economic system [7] (and in general a society based on private interest) leads to this wealthiest condition, it follows that the goal of the economic system is the unhappiness of society."
Posted by: Michael Kremer | 01/26/2015 at 12:23 PM
But...Michael your reading relies on attributing an equivocation to Marx about the nature of the natural rate. In Smith -- and Marx understands this fully in the passages you cite [he uses the 'natural price' in the correct Smithian sense including gravitational metaphor] -- the natural rate is not the end-state rate.
It is true that Marx uncharitably uses Smith's very distant possibility (distant in time for the UK; perhaps present in China) against Smith. (I say "uncharitably" because I think that for Smith the end-state is merely institutional-relative, and can be prevented under the right institutional regime, but my reading is controversial.) It is not uncharitable in so far as Smith (and any classical economist) agrees that the population is regulated by famines and worse.
Second, you fail to recognize that your final paragraph basically recapitulates the part after where I said 'to simplify.'
Posted by: Eric Schliesser | 01/26/2015 at 12:35 PM
Eric: For the most part, fair enough. Just to say: I wasn't attributing that use of "natural rate" to Marx, but trying to explain what Wolff might have had in mind...
But I don't get how my final paragraph is the same as what you say after "to simplify." What you say has to do with what Smith thinks happens in times of economic growth. I was quoting from Marx to make a point about teleology -- that the suffering of the majority is the "goal of the economic system." Did you mention that in your last paragraph?
I don't think we are far apart, again I was mainly trying to see what Wolff might have meant...
Posted by: Michael Kremer | 01/26/2015 at 12:54 PM
Ah, now I see what you think I missed about Marx, Michael. It's true that in my post I did not emphasize Marx's teleological thinking and that while I present Smith & Marx as having a (an almost) largely empirical disagreement (from shared premises), it is indeed also possible to think of them as having different conceptions of the final cause of capitalism/commercial society.
Posted by: Eric Schliesser | 01/26/2015 at 01:05 PM
It's a very London-Oxbridge list. Cohen was brilliant and influential, sure, but his presence in that list would look extremely controversial to anyone not from that ecosystem, where a striking amount of the most desirable jobs are occupied by Cohen disciples, or disciples of disciples.
Posted by: Enzo Rossi | 01/26/2015 at 07:25 PM
Interesting post Eric. However, I really don't think Jo is trying to show any 'pride' when saying he hadn't read those parts of Leviathan; it's just his self-effacing unpretentious style. I appreciate this might not come across in an interview on a webpage.
I'd like to know why you think analytic philosophers don't take rhetoric seriously: surely it would be easy write a rhetoric handbook for articles in analytic philosophy! ('In section 1, I will...'; the appeal to authority, the summing up of what has been achieved etc.)
Posted by: Tim Crane | 01/26/2015 at 10:26 PM
Many thanks Eric for this discussion (and for alerting me to it). The attention has taken me by surprise as it was a short, unrehearsed interview for what I thought was an obscure website, transcribed verbatim with only the lightest editing for grammar etc, and so I hope I can be forgiven for the occasional failure of memory under these circumstances.
Choosing five books that have shaped the field is quite a challenge, and I did think of including Nussbaum, Sen and Iris Marion Young, all of whom have been more influential on my recent work than those I do mention. But I thought, in the end, it is the dead white males that have most shaped the field in which we collectively work, in Philosophy departments anyway, like it or not.
Posted by: Jo Wolff | 01/26/2015 at 11:37 PM