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Joshua A. Miller

I once saw a professor dance her critique of Derrida. I (strongly) suspect that Rosenberg is himself working on a performative argument. I made a joke to that effect on Facebook, but the more I think about it, the more obvious it is.

I've read enough of Rosenberg's work to think he is smarter than to believe that the arguments he's making here are good ones. Many point to the absurd discussion of property, but the construct validity argument is even worse as you've demonstrated. Since that's an argument he would never make in a discussion of sociobiology, I really do think he's pulling our legs. You can literally point to the chapter in his textbook on Philosophy of Science that demonstrates the error here. (Ok, I don't own the text, but it looks like the relevant material is spread over 9, 11, and 14.)

Or maybe I'm being too hopeful.

David Wallace

I'll self-indulgently reprise what I wrote at NewAPPS at the time about data transparency, since it still seems to apply:

The scientific analogy (as I understand it) doesn't license public, all-comers, release of the data. What it does license is that PGR ought to be willing to give its dataset, in confidence, to other researchers who are able to reassure them that they are (a) carrying out methodologically serious analysis and (b) trustworthy custodians of confidential data.

But calling for PGR to be willing to do that only makes sense if there is good reason to think that PGR does not already give access to its data under those conditions. I haven't seen any evidence that that's the case. (Such evidence would presumably be along the lines of someone saying: "I, person/group X, requested of PGR confidential access to their dataset to do the following study, and were refused without any good reason being given.")

Eric Schliesser

David, perhaps, you try your out your own recipe on obtaining PGR data before you tell us what "there is good reason to think."

Richard Heck

Joshua, I went and re-read that article, and it is so incredibly over the top that sarcasm has to be some kind of possibility. But I don't think it really can be.

David Wallace

Eric: I didn't tell you what there's good reason to think. I asked if there's good reason to think it, and said what I thought would constitute good reason. I don't particularly want to do data analysis on the PGR, so why would I want to "try out my own recipe"?

Eric Schliesser

David there is overwhelming reason to think that the PGR has made no effort to reach out to its critics and have us help improve it. When folk have asked for data -- and this is amply documented -- they have been told it's private and that to share it would risk jeopardizing raters' privacy (and Leiter has repeatedly said this on his own site). But maybe you could get more out of the PGR than others so please try your own recipe.

David Wallace

Eric: I'm not aware of a documented example of someone doing what I have suggested (approaching PGR with a particular research goal in mind and asking to see its data, in confidence, to investigate that goal). The only such approach I'm aware of (Kieran Healey's) was accepted.

This isn't intended to be a rhetorical point: I'm not internet-omniscient and I'm happy to be pointed to examples. But the thread you link to is concerned with something very different: making the raw data public.

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