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Another example of this thought occurs in the fragments of Lucan's Civil War. Lucan portrays Cato as a Stoic model who only exists as physical presence for a lost political cause. His Stoic virtues are juxtaposed with a world out of control and where traditional ways of orientating oneself falter. The lost political cause leaves his stoic therapy in limbo or alters its dimensions. The other characters openly flaunt the stoic concerns through extreme passion or like Caesar , in the early parts take it as a cynical action against the advice of the spirit of the city. The late Stoic imagery of conflagration is often juxtaposed with this position.

Eric Schliesser

That's a nice point. Seneca and Lucan have, I think, a family connection and certainly have some overlapping sensibilities.


Historically, I believe there is some overlapping concerns that have a philosophical upshot through similar concerns at the time. Seneca attempt to move Stoic virtues from the public space or a space that would change into bear the same concerns of Lucan's portrayal of the Stoic sage as caught up spatially in the action of politics but seemingly not in a causal sense. Lucan seems to portray the claim of individual tranquility as not having a larger causal upshot on the political. He leaves the political world in the hands of popular opinion informed by a stoic causal model such as when he portrays the military speeches and his portrayal of the fall of Tribune in book 3.

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